Interviews etc. du 10.02.2010
Hors tribunal - Dr António Cabrita
Sandra Felgueiras :
How do you interpret the fact that Isabel Duarte said that Ricardo
Paiva, the Inspector requested by the defense, lied in this court?
Dr. António Cabrita : It's an opinion, it's respectable. Now if it is factual or consistent that's a different matter.
Dr. António Cabrita : It's an opinion, it's respectable. Now if it is factual or consistent that's a different matter.
SF : But do you believe that could lead the judge to decide against you?
AC : I do not comment on opinions of colleagues. The right to an opinion is free in this outcry, that is what I defend, therefore Dr. Isabel Duarte, like any other citizen, have the right to opinion what they think.
Unknown Reporter : Gonçalo Amaral already said this afternoon that he would like the case to be re-opened.
AC : Which process?
UR : The process relative to the disappearence of Maddie.
AC : All of us would like that, to find out what really happened.
SF : Gonçalo Amaral said that he would like to constitute himself as an assistant. Legally, how is that possible? Is it possible for someone to be constituted as an assistant without presenting a new fact that allows the reopening of the process?
AC : Depends, if new facts are presented it's always possible to reopen the process.
SF : New facts, but could those facts be undertakings that were not carried out?
AC : Eventually, eventually. [nods affirmatively]
UR : Or it needs more than that?
AC : But on that issue I wont make any further comments. I don't know the process, except the DVD that was distributed.
SF : The reading of the verdict is on the 18th, is that it?
AC : On the 18.
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Gerald MC : We would very much like the whole process reviewed; we'd like all the information held by all law enforcement to be put together and systematically reviewed and identified areas for further in... investigation. We're..
SF : We were said that... that...
AC : I do not comment on opinions of colleagues. The right to an opinion is free in this outcry, that is what I defend, therefore Dr. Isabel Duarte, like any other citizen, have the right to opinion what they think.
Unknown Reporter : Gonçalo Amaral already said this afternoon that he would like the case to be re-opened.
AC : Which process?
UR : The process relative to the disappearence of Maddie.
AC : All of us would like that, to find out what really happened.
SF : Gonçalo Amaral said that he would like to constitute himself as an assistant. Legally, how is that possible? Is it possible for someone to be constituted as an assistant without presenting a new fact that allows the reopening of the process?
AC : Depends, if new facts are presented it's always possible to reopen the process.
SF : New facts, but could those facts be undertakings that were not carried out?
AC : Eventually, eventually. [nods affirmatively]
UR : Or it needs more than that?
AC : But on that issue I wont make any further comments. I don't know the process, except the DVD that was distributed.
SF : The reading of the verdict is on the 18th, is that it?
AC : On the 18.
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Gerald MC : We would very much like the whole process reviewed; we'd like all the information held by all law enforcement to be put together and systematically reviewed and identified areas for further in... investigation. We're..
SF : We were said that... that...
Unknown Reporter: Who do you want to review that, Gerry?
SF : ...that notice that the PJ received had inclusively photos from Madeleine or eventually from some child...
GMC : [Initially listens to question but then ignores Sandra Felgueiras and turns head to unknown reporter] Pardon, sorry.
GMC : [Initially listens to question but then ignores Sandra Felgueiras and turns head to unknown reporter] Pardon, sorry.
Répété ci-après
Rencontre (désorganisée) avec la presse (hors tribunal)
transcrit par Nigel Moore
Où les MC , après Gonçalo Amaral, déclarent qu'ils seraient enchantés que l'affaire soit rouverte...
Sandra Felgueiras : Gerry, do you... do you also believe that, errr...
Gerald MC : There is one real reason why we have come here and why we've taken this action and this is why it is; it's our daughter, who is missing, and who deserves justice for a fair search. The laws of a democracy are there to protect the vulnerable in society, and our daughter is vulnerable, and our twins are vulnerable. Given what you have heard in court over the days of this trial, we want to appeal to the Portuguese people again to come forward with any information that may lead us to help finding Madeleine or any other information that might be related to Madeleine's abduction. The number here is 800 814024.
Kate MC : 800 814028
GMC : Pardon?
KMC : 800 814028
GMC : Thank you.
Gerald MC coupe la parole, il n'est manifestement pas là pour répondre aux questions, mais pour faire savoir un certain nombre de choses.
SF : Gerry...(cut in video)
Gerald MC : There is one real reason why we have come here and why we've taken this action and this is why it is; it's our daughter, who is missing, and who deserves justice for a fair search. The laws of a democracy are there to protect the vulnerable in society, and our daughter is vulnerable, and our twins are vulnerable. Given what you have heard in court over the days of this trial, we want to appeal to the Portuguese people again to come forward with any information that may lead us to help finding Madeleine or any other information that might be related to Madeleine's abduction. The number here is 800 814024.
Kate MC : 800 814028
GMC : Pardon?
KMC : 800 814028
GMC : Thank you.
Gerald MC coupe la parole, il n'est manifestement pas là pour répondre aux questions, mais pour faire savoir un certain nombre de choses.
SF : Gerry...(cut in video)
Unknown Reporter : Can you tell us about these criminal proceedings that you've started?
GMC : Can't comment on that, if you speak to Isabel Duarte.
SF : But do you think that the PJ is not investigating important leads that could help you to find Madeleine?
GMC : Can't comment on that, if you speak to Isabel Duarte.
SF : But do you think that the PJ is not investigating important leads that could help you to find Madeleine?
GMC : I think you heard, errr... detective Paiva's, errr... testimony, and that... that speaks for itself. There's one thesis that's being investigated here more than any other, that hasn't come up with any evidence, Ce qu'il a dans la tête ce sont les soupçons contre eux, mais il n'y a pas plus d'éléments probants pour étayer leur thèse and the important thing is that there is an innocent child missing and that search must go on. We would very much like the whole process reviewed, we'd like all information held by all law enforcement to be put together and systematically reviewed and identified areas for further in... investigation. We're...
Non seulement la PJ ne fait pas son boulot (aucune allusion n'est faite au rejet de la phase d'instruction par les MC, l'instruction visant à préciser les positions, notamment à travers un débat contradictoire), mais cette négligence est criminelle puisqu'il y a une enfant perdue de vue, donc comme abandonnée.
SF : We were said that... that...
UR : Who do you want to review that, Gerry?
Non seulement la PJ ne fait pas son boulot (aucune allusion n'est faite au rejet de la phase d'instruction par les MC, l'instruction visant à préciser les positions, notamment à travers un débat contradictoire), mais cette négligence est criminelle puisqu'il y a une enfant perdue de vue, donc comme abandonnée.
SF : We were said that... that...
UR : Who do you want to review that, Gerry?
SF : ...that notice that the PJ received had inclusively photos from Madeleine or eventually from some child...
GMC : [Initially listens to question but then ignores Sandra Felgueiras and turns head to
UR : Pardon, sorry.
SF : ...have you seen that photo?
UR : Who do you want to do that review?
GMC : The most, errr... well qualified people capable of doing it. Pourquoi alors employer des enquêteurs privés médiocres et/ou escrocs ?
UR : Mrs McCann, how difficult has this trial been for you?
UR : [to Gerry McCann] Who... can you... who is that?
KMC : I mean, it's obviously been difficult to hear all these allegations again, errm... but it is reassuring once again for it to be dis... demonstrated publicly that there is no evidence that Madeleine has come to any harm...
Rien de tel n'a été démontré ni n'est démontrable. La présence de sang de Madeleine ne prouverait pas que sa vie est/a été en danger. L'absence de sang ne prouve pas que son intégrité ait été préservée au cours de l'enlèvement.
Robert Moore : (ITV) Kate, do you feel...
KMC : ...and we really do want to ask the Portuguese people... continue to ask them, 'please help us'. There's a little girl still missing, regardless of what Mr... Mr Amaral and his followers say - and they have their own motives - the little girl is still missing and we know that people care about children. Please help us.
"ils ont leurs raisons" est lourd de menaces.
GMC : [Initially listens to question but then ignores Sandra Felgueiras and turns head to
UR : Pardon, sorry.
SF : ...have you seen that photo?
UR : Who do you want to do that review?
GMC : The most, errr... well qualified people capable of doing it. Pourquoi alors employer des enquêteurs privés médiocres et/ou escrocs ?
UR : Mrs McCann, how difficult has this trial been for you?
UR : [to Gerry McCann] Who... can you... who is that?
KMC : I mean, it's obviously been difficult to hear all these allegations again, errm... but it is reassuring once again for it to be dis... demonstrated publicly that there is no evidence that Madeleine has come to any harm...
Rien de tel n'a été démontré ni n'est démontrable. La présence de sang de Madeleine ne prouverait pas que sa vie est/a été en danger. L'absence de sang ne prouve pas que son intégrité ait été préservée au cours de l'enlèvement.
Robert Moore : (ITV) Kate, do you feel...
KMC : ...and we really do want to ask the Portuguese people... continue to ask them, 'please help us'. There's a little girl still missing, regardless of what Mr... Mr Amaral and his followers say - and they have their own motives - the little girl is still missing and we know that people care about children. Please help us.
"ils ont leurs raisons" est lourd de menaces.
RM : Kate, do you feel the focus can now revert to the search for Madeleine, once again?
KMC : Well, I think if the just decision is made I think this will truly help our search for Madeleine and... and that's... as Gerry's said... that's why... that's why we've gone through with this. It's not easy going through with it but if it helps our little girl... if it helps to find Madeleine then we'll go through anything.
UR : You are asking... you are asking Portuguese people to come forward. What do you have to say if they ask you... why you haven't... are you not reopening the case?
Member of the public : That is the question, that's the one.
GMC : [looks startled]
La question est embarrassante car l'enquête a été classée faute de demande d'instruction.
KMC : [answers another journalist question - unintelligible]
GMC : We'd be delighted if the case was reopened; we would have no problem with that but what we need is real investigation, not this... not...
UR : Did you already do anything?
GMC : ...not dis... not... not dismissal...
UR : ...take any step to reopen the case? Like...
GMC : We... we have sent information through, errr... the authorities both in England and through, errr.. the PJ here. It's the Prosecutor's decision when to reopen the case. What we need is...
UR : Did you get a reply then?
GMC : ...what we need is... and this is very, very clear; what we need is new leads, new information... we believe (all) information has not gone into the inquiry and we want it all systematically examined under one review panel.
Manifestement il ne souhaite pas répondre.
Les Portugais sont des incapables, la preuve en est qu'ils ne font rien des informations qui leur parviennent.
UR : Gerry, would you want that Bri... would that be the British police? Would it be a British review panel? Or...
UR : A reconstruction. If you volunteered to do a reconstruction, wouldn't that open the... the case?
GMC : We want to create information that will lead to us helping find Madeleine.
Comme il botte en touche ! Étrange formulation : "nous voulons créer de l'information qui nous conduira..."!
UR : That... that would help Madeleine, don't you think so?
GMC : Well, if it... it does, then, you know, we will participate in it. We need...
UR : You're in Lisbon. You could take that step today; ask for the case to be reopened...
GMC : Okay, we're going round...
UR : ...and do a reconstruction with your friends.
GMC : ...we're going round in circles. We'd be more than happy for the case to be reopened.
Bottant en touche désespérément. Gerald semble, oui, tourner en rond. Après avoir vanté la revue et dénigré la PJ, il prétend souhaiter une réouverture. ..
UR : Gerry... to clarify, the re... you talk about this review... it's quite interesting. Is that something you would want the British police to do; review the entire thing? Or..
GMC : We'll take whoever is prepared to do it and whoever's got the most expertise and obviously we want the Portuguese and the British authorities to cooperate in such a review.
UR : But you're asking the Portuguese people to come forward and they'll not do it.
UR : Gerry, do you feel this is to be regarded as a last plea to the Portuguese people for help.
GMC : It's... it's a renewed plea, errm... we don't know when new information is going to come forward, errm... there are many cases, as you know, of children who have been missing for years who have subsequently been discovered and it's when that piece of information falls into place that the children are, errr... found. And if people believe, errm... unnecessarily, that Madeleine's dead, without any evidence, then we'll never find her.
Si on ne la trouve pas, ce n'est pas parce qu'elle n'est pas trouvable, c'est parc que la PJ et Amaral ont décrété qu'elle était morte.Non, personne ne sait que beaucoup d'enfants disparus pendant des années sont retrouvés, et si personne ne sait c'est qu'il n'y a pratiquement pas d'enfant retrouvé grâce à la fameuse pièce manquante du puzzle. Les deux cas récents, Natascha Kampusch et Jaycee Dugard avaient 9/10 ans quand elles ont été enlevées dans la rue et elles ont été les instruments de leur libération. .
UR : I think those cases are still open.
SF : Are you sure that after this court, that public opinion in Portugal will change?
GMC : It depends what your, errr... question really relates to; it's not popularity contact... errr... contest, errr... it's about finding Madeleine. Thank you.
SF : But you claim that, errr... the... the finding of Madeleine has been, errr... damaged with all this, errr... Goncalo Amaral thesis. What I'm asking you; if this decision, errr... will be something like you wish to happen do you think that after that... after this step, it... it will be better for you?
GMC : I think it'll be a step in the right direction. It's about Madeleine, it's not about us, it's about this girl; she's missing; she needs to be found and we're doing everything in our power to aid that search.
La question est de savoir s'ils "aident la recherche en assignant en justice un commissaire qui n'a aucun intérêt à dire que "this girl" est morte.
UR : Gerry, have you formally asked anyone to start a review?
GMC : We're happy to ask now.
UR : But before today, is it... is it something you've formally asked anybody?
GMC : We're asking behind the scenes all the time, many different things, errr... of course, we want all the information reviewed; it's sensible; it would be done in any other major inquiry, errr... there is a... a situation we've been advised within Portugal but, Que suggère-t-il ? Dommage qu'on ne lui ait pas demandé pourquoi ils avaient rejeté la phase de l'instruction. you know, we want the information reviewed; we want it; it's an unsolved case; it's really important, you would expect that; there is a little girl missing; we must find her; we must do everything in our power. Just because it's hard, doesn't mean we give up. We're not going to give up.
Et pourtant ils ont abandonné, et Kate a même dit que c'était un soulagement, quand ils n'ont pas requis la phase d'instruction. Pourtant le dossier a été relu par Paulo Rebello ! Pourtant une autre revue a eu lieu plus tard (à Porto), à l'insu et au grand dam du Ministère public.
Member of the public : Why not doing a reconstruction then, why ?
SF : Isabel Duarte told to the court that she felt you were under a judgment, with this case. Do you still feel... or did you feel, that today you were under a judgment?
GMC : What's important is the Judge's decision. I think that is the objectivity of it, not, errm... biased opinion, you know, evidence has to be looked at objectively; there is no evidence Madeleine is dead. As far as we're concerned, she's still out there. Le journaliste portugais ne rétorque pas "as well there is no evidence Madeleine isn't dead", mais on n'est pas loin.
KMC : Well, I think if the just decision is made I think this will truly help our search for Madeleine and... and that's... as Gerry's said... that's why... that's why we've gone through with this. It's not easy going through with it but if it helps our little girl... if it helps to find Madeleine then we'll go through anything.
UR : You are asking... you are asking Portuguese people to come forward. What do you have to say if they ask you... why you haven't... are you not reopening the case?
Member of the public : That is the question, that's the one.
GMC : [looks startled]
La question est embarrassante car l'enquête a été classée faute de demande d'instruction.
KMC : [answers another journalist question - unintelligible]
GMC : We'd be delighted if the case was reopened; we would have no problem with that but what we need is real investigation, not this... not...
UR : Did you already do anything?
GMC : ...not dis... not... not dismissal...
UR : ...take any step to reopen the case? Like...
GMC : We... we have sent information through, errr... the authorities both in England and through, errr.. the PJ here. It's the Prosecutor's decision when to reopen the case. What we need is...
UR : Did you get a reply then?
GMC : ...what we need is... and this is very, very clear; what we need is new leads, new information... we believe (all) information has not gone into the inquiry and we want it all systematically examined under one review panel.
Manifestement il ne souhaite pas répondre.
Les Portugais sont des incapables, la preuve en est qu'ils ne font rien des informations qui leur parviennent.
UR : Gerry, would you want that Bri... would that be the British police? Would it be a British review panel? Or...
UR : A reconstruction. If you volunteered to do a reconstruction, wouldn't that open the... the case?
GMC : We want to create information that will lead to us helping find Madeleine.
Comme il botte en touche ! Étrange formulation : "nous voulons créer de l'information qui nous conduira..."!
UR : That... that would help Madeleine, don't you think so?
GMC : Well, if it... it does, then, you know, we will participate in it. We need...
UR : You're in Lisbon. You could take that step today; ask for the case to be reopened...
GMC : Okay, we're going round...
UR : ...and do a reconstruction with your friends.
GMC : ...we're going round in circles. We'd be more than happy for the case to be reopened.
Bottant en touche désespérément. Gerald semble, oui, tourner en rond. Après avoir vanté la revue et dénigré la PJ, il prétend souhaiter une réouverture. ..
UR : Gerry... to clarify, the re... you talk about this review... it's quite interesting. Is that something you would want the British police to do; review the entire thing? Or..
GMC : We'll take whoever is prepared to do it and whoever's got the most expertise and obviously we want the Portuguese and the British authorities to cooperate in such a review.
UR : But you're asking the Portuguese people to come forward and they'll not do it.
UR : Gerry, do you feel this is to be regarded as a last plea to the Portuguese people for help.
GMC : It's... it's a renewed plea, errm... we don't know when new information is going to come forward, errm... there are many cases, as you know, of children who have been missing for years who have subsequently been discovered and it's when that piece of information falls into place that the children are, errr... found. And if people believe, errm... unnecessarily, that Madeleine's dead, without any evidence, then we'll never find her.
Si on ne la trouve pas, ce n'est pas parce qu'elle n'est pas trouvable, c'est parc que la PJ et Amaral ont décrété qu'elle était morte.Non, personne ne sait que beaucoup d'enfants disparus pendant des années sont retrouvés, et si personne ne sait c'est qu'il n'y a pratiquement pas d'enfant retrouvé grâce à la fameuse pièce manquante du puzzle. Les deux cas récents, Natascha Kampusch et Jaycee Dugard avaient 9/10 ans quand elles ont été enlevées dans la rue et elles ont été les instruments de leur libération. .
UR : I think those cases are still open.
SF : Are you sure that after this court, that public opinion in Portugal will change?
GMC : It depends what your, errr... question really relates to; it's not popularity contact... errr... contest, errr... it's about finding Madeleine. Thank you.
SF : But you claim that, errr... the... the finding of Madeleine has been, errr... damaged with all this, errr... Goncalo Amaral thesis. What I'm asking you; if this decision, errr... will be something like you wish to happen do you think that after that... after this step, it... it will be better for you?
GMC : I think it'll be a step in the right direction. It's about Madeleine, it's not about us, it's about this girl; she's missing; she needs to be found and we're doing everything in our power to aid that search.
La question est de savoir s'ils "aident la recherche en assignant en justice un commissaire qui n'a aucun intérêt à dire que "this girl" est morte.
UR : Gerry, have you formally asked anyone to start a review?
GMC : We're happy to ask now.
UR : But before today, is it... is it something you've formally asked anybody?
GMC : We're asking behind the scenes all the time, many different things, errr... of course, we want all the information reviewed; it's sensible; it would be done in any other major inquiry, errr... there is a... a situation we've been advised within Portugal but, Que suggère-t-il ? Dommage qu'on ne lui ait pas demandé pourquoi ils avaient rejeté la phase de l'instruction. you know, we want the information reviewed; we want it; it's an unsolved case; it's really important, you would expect that; there is a little girl missing; we must find her; we must do everything in our power. Just because it's hard, doesn't mean we give up. We're not going to give up.
Et pourtant ils ont abandonné, et Kate a même dit que c'était un soulagement, quand ils n'ont pas requis la phase d'instruction. Pourtant le dossier a été relu par Paulo Rebello ! Pourtant une autre revue a eu lieu plus tard (à Porto), à l'insu et au grand dam du Ministère public.
Member of the public : Why not doing a reconstruction then, why ?
SF : Isabel Duarte told to the court that she felt you were under a judgment, with this case. Do you still feel... or did you feel, that today you were under a judgment?
GMC : What's important is the Judge's decision. I think that is the objectivity of it, not, errm... biased opinion, you know, evidence has to be looked at objectively; there is no evidence Madeleine is dead. As far as we're concerned, she's still out there. Le journaliste portugais ne rétorque pas "as well there is no evidence Madeleine isn't dead", mais on n'est pas loin.
UR : Wouldn't you say that, errr... someone who accepts there was an abduction is also biased? It's just one side of the question.
GMC : Errr... Obviously all possibilities have to be considered and they were considered; one was pursued much more aggressively than any other lead. But, you know, we weren't there on our own; we weren't in isolation; there were many, many people around us; there are many different witnesses that seemed to get forgotten about and only negative, errr... testimony seems to...
Qu'ils ressentent comme agressive toute théorie différente de la leur parce que, vrai, seule la leur, l'enlèvement, les innocente, se comprend, mais aucune théorie n'est en soi agressive.
UR : But that is part of life, isn't it? There is always someone who has a different opinion.
GMC : Well, you know, we're here; we're here standing in front of you; we're visible. The abductor is not.
Botte en touche par un défi cinglant mais sans pertinence.
UR : [Laughs] Abductor?
GMC : We... we need to find that person and...
KMC : Yes, the abductor is not.
GMC : ...and those that are responsible. That is it...
Quand ils sont mis en questions, ils dégainent immédiatement la figure du ravisseur.
UR : What evidence do you have that there was an abduction? Can I ask this question because you say that Amaral doesn't have...
KMC : Because I know. I was there, I found my daughter gone. I know more than you do. I know what I saw.
Le journaliste a appelé un chat un chat et laissé entendre que le ravisseur était une pure vue de l'esprit, ce qui a eu pour effet de crisper Kate MC sur un obstiné, dédaigneux et arbitraire "j'étais là, j'en sais plus que vous, j'ai vu".
UR : I'm not saying that... I don't know anything, I'm just standing from a point of view where I don't know who to believe; I just want evidence, like you say.
GMC : Where... where, you know... where is... where... where is... where is... where is the child? We're looking for that evidence. Where is the child? What other explanation can explain how she's not here.
C'est l'argument des arguments, celui que Gerald utilise quand il se croit tenu d'être définitif : où est l'enfant ? quelle autre explication que l'enlèvement peut-il y avoir au fait qu'elle n'est pas là ? On pense à Pamela Fenn, étonnée que Gerald MC lui ait dit qu'une petite fille avait été enlevée, au lieu de "ma petite fille..."
KMC : It shouldn't... do you agree it shouldn't be ruled out?
UR : Other people have, errr... advanced other... other explanations. Isn't it? That's why we're here.
GMC : Okay, any other questions before we go? Because we've got a flight to catch. Thank you.
Fin claire de non recevoir.
KMC : Can you just remember there's a little girl missing and we need everybody's help. Avalez tous vos doutes et croyez-nous !
GMC : Errr... Obviously all possibilities have to be considered and they were considered; one was pursued much more aggressively than any other lead. But, you know, we weren't there on our own; we weren't in isolation; there were many, many people around us; there are many different witnesses that seemed to get forgotten about and only negative, errr... testimony seems to...
Qu'ils ressentent comme agressive toute théorie différente de la leur parce que, vrai, seule la leur, l'enlèvement, les innocente, se comprend, mais aucune théorie n'est en soi agressive.
UR : But that is part of life, isn't it? There is always someone who has a different opinion.
GMC : Well, you know, we're here; we're here standing in front of you; we're visible. The abductor is not.
Botte en touche par un défi cinglant mais sans pertinence.
UR : [Laughs] Abductor?
GMC : We... we need to find that person and...
KMC : Yes, the abductor is not.
GMC : ...and those that are responsible. That is it...
Quand ils sont mis en questions, ils dégainent immédiatement la figure du ravisseur.
UR : What evidence do you have that there was an abduction? Can I ask this question because you say that Amaral doesn't have...
KMC : Because I know. I was there, I found my daughter gone. I know more than you do. I know what I saw.
Le journaliste a appelé un chat un chat et laissé entendre que le ravisseur était une pure vue de l'esprit, ce qui a eu pour effet de crisper Kate MC sur un obstiné, dédaigneux et arbitraire "j'étais là, j'en sais plus que vous, j'ai vu".
UR : I'm not saying that... I don't know anything, I'm just standing from a point of view where I don't know who to believe; I just want evidence, like you say.
GMC : Where... where, you know... where is... where... where is... where is... where is the child? We're looking for that evidence. Where is the child? What other explanation can explain how she's not here.
C'est l'argument des arguments, celui que Gerald utilise quand il se croit tenu d'être définitif : où est l'enfant ? quelle autre explication que l'enlèvement peut-il y avoir au fait qu'elle n'est pas là ? On pense à Pamela Fenn, étonnée que Gerald MC lui ait dit qu'une petite fille avait été enlevée, au lieu de "ma petite fille..."
KMC : It shouldn't... do you agree it shouldn't be ruled out?
UR : Other people have, errr... advanced other... other explanations. Isn't it? That's why we're here.
GMC : Okay, any other questions before we go? Because we've got a flight to catch. Thank you.
Fin claire de non recevoir.
KMC : Can you just remember there's a little girl missing and we need everybody's help. Avalez tous vos doutes et croyez-nous !
SF : Are you planning to come on the... on next week?
UR : Can you just hold that... Gerry, do you want to just hold that up?
GMC : [Answering question from SF] Errr... No.
SF : No? Why not, if you, errr...
GMC : I can't, I've got work commitments.
UR : Do you want to just hold that up? Hold the poster up?
SF : How many legal actions are you, errr... planning to put in Portugal.
GMC : If you speak to Isabel, she'll take all our advice regarding further actions. Thank you.
Isabel Duarte : As many as necessary.#1
UR : Gerry, do you want to just hold the poster up? Thank you.
Photographer : This way, Gerry please.
UR : What's your next step then?
Ph : Gerry and Kate, please, this way in the middle, please. Thank you. Gerry and Kate, thank you.
SF : [Seemingly directed at UR4] Please... you... you are damaging everybody's work. It's not fair, not...
UR : Sorry, Mrs McCann, are you expecting to come next week? If your husband can't because...
KMC : I've got no plans to come, no.
UR : What will you do if the judge, errr... forwards, errm... the complaint and reopens... asks for the reopening of the case?
GMC : Thank you.
ID : Questions about the legal actions are with me.
Hors tribunal - Dra Isabel Duarte
transcrit par Joana Morais
Sandra Felgueiras : Can we ask you, what is the intention of this action made against TVI, at the Oeiras Court? Is it an action filed by you or by the McCanns?
Isabel Duarte : The Oeiras Court is the competent one to judge actions against TVI, and TVI has a temporary injunction, where they are forbidden to divulge the thesis of death and of cadaver concealment. And since the injunction was published [sic], TVI have violated that Court order several times; they can't do it. They've commited various crimes.
video cut/inset of Palácio da Justiça building
ID : Most of the notifications [reports] that I analysed on Friday - I had access to the process - most of the notifications should have deserved an investigation by the Portuguese Police, and they didn't.
Unknown Reporter : And why do you think that happened?
ID : I have no idea.
SF : Did you intend to say that the PJ is systematically disregarding leads that could re-open the case?
ID : I didn't intend to say, I said it. I said that the Judiciary Police has archived all the notifications sent by the Leicester police, by French police, Spanish police, errm... notifications that are in the process.
Multiple questions: [unintelligible]
ID : I don't have to interpret the decisions of someone who came in here as a witness, saying that he believes that Madeleine is dead and that is at this moment investigating the whereabouts of Madeleine. I don't think that I need to...
UR : Should he be removed?
ID : ...I don't think that I need to do any interpretation about this.
SF : Are you asking for Inspector Ricardo Paiva's removal?
ID : I'm not asking anything. I...
UR : Do you believe the Judiciary Police could have done a lot more, than what they did?
ID : What I'm saying is, the notifications that I analysed, most of them, deserved to be investigated by the Police. If I was, errm... If I had any responsibility on that process, namely and probably I have it in representing Madeleine, I'm not sure...
video cut
SF : You believe this is something that reflects the feelings of public opinion and of the Police itself?
ID : I...SF : That is, a rejection of the McCanns' version of the disappearence?
ID : I analysed the process because there were two contradictory versions made by two witnesses in this injunction proceeding. First, the prosecutor [Magalhães e Menezes] who said that there was no relevant information that deserved an investigation. And the second one, by Mr. Ricardo Paiva, who said that there was a series of information, that he was investigating. Therefore, I had to go see, what information was down there [Portimão] and that he was investigating, because I had to inform my clients when they came here today.
SF : But in this particular case...
ID : And I knew there was information from the Leicester Police, several, sent down there to the process. So...
UR : What is the practical consequence of that now? Now that you are aware of that reality, what is the practical consequence of that?
ID : Now, I will have a meeting with the lawyers that are constituted [appointed] in that process. I investigated the process because I constituted myself as an assistant in Madeleine McCann's name. And now I'll have to reunite with the lawyers that are in that process who are my client's representatives in that process, and we will have to decide what is actually going on, and I don't need to imply anything, because a witness that came in here to say that he believes that Madeleine is dead, it is he who has the responsibility to investigate where she is...
Multiple questions: [unintelligible]
SF : Do you believe that with that the process can be re-opened, that is, with those clues that the Inspector Ricardo Paiva, isn't, allegedly, investigating. Could those leads be new data needed to re-open the case?
ID : What I said was that, these clues deserved an investigation from police in other countries, therefore I reckon they should be investigated by the Portuguese Police.
Multiple questions: [unintelligible]
Voice (off camera) : A reconstruction, wouldn't that be good?
ID : Madam, I am not... I can't be part of the reconstruction; I wasn't there.
SF : Therefore to you...
ID : Yes.
SF : ...the evidence you saw is sufficient to re-open the process?
ID : Errm... What I saw was various relevant pieces of information, photographs, places, car licence plates...
SF : That your clients didn't yet identify?
ID : My clients have now become aware of all this. I have the documentation with me to deliver to them.
SF : And the photos that you've seen, did they seem to be of Madeleine?
ID : There are photographs which are similar to the girl, errm... some of them shocking, and there are other photographs...
SF : Shocking, why?
ID : It doesn't matter.
SF : The situation is shocking?
ID : The situation where the girl is in, yes.
UR : You said that Inspector Ricardo Paiva lied, are you planning to act criminally against him, as you did with...?
ID : No, in relation to Inspector Ricardo Paiva, the importance that I give to him is the importance of knowing if he should be heading or not the investigation to this process, because...
UR : So, you are definitely placing him in question?
ID : I am not... What I said should not be interpreted beyond my words.
UR : Doctor [doctor is applied to anyone who has an University degree], so let's try to speak in a clear way. Before what you said...
ID : My words are clear, for you and for other people.
Non seulement Ricardo Paiva, mais le procureur Magalhães e Menezes sont mis en cause par Isabel Duarte, qui sans aucun fondement accuse de ne pas suivre toutes les pistes possibles, oubliant sans doute que l'affaire est classée, ce qui signifie que les informations ne sont investiguées que si elles semblent pertinentes. Un rapide examen des PJFiles montre le nombre impressionnants des signalements examinés lorsque l'enquête était en cours. Comme chaque fois dans les affaires à haut profil, les médias génèrent inévitablement de nombreux red herrings où se dispersent et s'épuisent les énergies policières. La police a des ressources limitées, avant d'envoyer un inspecteur elle doit être assurée que l'information présente une certaine crédibilité. Il n'est pas rare que l'envoi sans contrôle de forces de police se solde non seulement par un échec, mais aussi permette au suspect de prendre la poudre d'escampette.
UR : Can you just hold that... Gerry, do you want to just hold that up?
GMC : [Answering question from SF] Errr... No.
SF : No? Why not, if you, errr...
GMC : I can't, I've got work commitments.
UR : Do you want to just hold that up? Hold the poster up?
SF : How many legal actions are you, errr... planning to put in Portugal.
GMC : If you speak to Isabel, she'll take all our advice regarding further actions. Thank you.
Isabel Duarte : As many as necessary.#1
UR : Gerry, do you want to just hold the poster up? Thank you.
Photographer : This way, Gerry please.
UR : What's your next step then?
Ph : Gerry and Kate, please, this way in the middle, please. Thank you. Gerry and Kate, thank you.
SF : [Seemingly directed at UR4] Please... you... you are damaging everybody's work. It's not fair, not...
UR : Sorry, Mrs McCann, are you expecting to come next week? If your husband can't because...
KMC : I've got no plans to come, no.
UR : What will you do if the judge, errr... forwards, errm... the complaint and reopens... asks for the reopening of the case?
GMC : Thank you.
ID : Questions about the legal actions are with me.
Hors tribunal - Dra Isabel Duarte
transcrit par Joana Morais
Sandra Felgueiras : Can we ask you, what is the intention of this action made against TVI, at the Oeiras Court? Is it an action filed by you or by the McCanns?
Isabel Duarte : The Oeiras Court is the competent one to judge actions against TVI, and TVI has a temporary injunction, where they are forbidden to divulge the thesis of death and of cadaver concealment. And since the injunction was published [sic], TVI have violated that Court order several times; they can't do it. They've commited various crimes.
video cut/inset of Palácio da Justiça building
ID : Most of the notifications [reports] that I analysed on Friday - I had access to the process - most of the notifications should have deserved an investigation by the Portuguese Police, and they didn't.
Unknown Reporter : And why do you think that happened?
ID : I have no idea.
SF : Did you intend to say that the PJ is systematically disregarding leads that could re-open the case?
ID : I didn't intend to say, I said it. I said that the Judiciary Police has archived all the notifications sent by the Leicester police, by French police, Spanish police, errm... notifications that are in the process.
Multiple questions: [unintelligible]
ID : I don't have to interpret the decisions of someone who came in here as a witness, saying that he believes that Madeleine is dead and that is at this moment investigating the whereabouts of Madeleine. I don't think that I need to...
UR : Should he be removed?
ID : ...I don't think that I need to do any interpretation about this.
SF : Are you asking for Inspector Ricardo Paiva's removal?
ID : I'm not asking anything. I...
UR : Do you believe the Judiciary Police could have done a lot more, than what they did?
ID : What I'm saying is, the notifications that I analysed, most of them, deserved to be investigated by the Police. If I was, errm... If I had any responsibility on that process, namely and probably I have it in representing Madeleine, I'm not sure...
video cut
SF : You believe this is something that reflects the feelings of public opinion and of the Police itself?
ID : I...SF : That is, a rejection of the McCanns' version of the disappearence?
ID : I analysed the process because there were two contradictory versions made by two witnesses in this injunction proceeding. First, the prosecutor [Magalhães e Menezes] who said that there was no relevant information that deserved an investigation. And the second one, by Mr. Ricardo Paiva, who said that there was a series of information, that he was investigating. Therefore, I had to go see, what information was down there [Portimão] and that he was investigating, because I had to inform my clients when they came here today.
SF : But in this particular case...
ID : And I knew there was information from the Leicester Police, several, sent down there to the process. So...
UR : What is the practical consequence of that now? Now that you are aware of that reality, what is the practical consequence of that?
ID : Now, I will have a meeting with the lawyers that are constituted [appointed] in that process. I investigated the process because I constituted myself as an assistant in Madeleine McCann's name. And now I'll have to reunite with the lawyers that are in that process who are my client's representatives in that process, and we will have to decide what is actually going on, and I don't need to imply anything, because a witness that came in here to say that he believes that Madeleine is dead, it is he who has the responsibility to investigate where she is...
Multiple questions: [unintelligible]
SF : Do you believe that with that the process can be re-opened, that is, with those clues that the Inspector Ricardo Paiva, isn't, allegedly, investigating. Could those leads be new data needed to re-open the case?
ID : What I said was that, these clues deserved an investigation from police in other countries, therefore I reckon they should be investigated by the Portuguese Police.
Multiple questions: [unintelligible]
Voice (off camera) : A reconstruction, wouldn't that be good?
ID : Madam, I am not... I can't be part of the reconstruction; I wasn't there.
SF : Therefore to you...
ID : Yes.
SF : ...the evidence you saw is sufficient to re-open the process?
ID : Errm... What I saw was various relevant pieces of information, photographs, places, car licence plates...
SF : That your clients didn't yet identify?
ID : My clients have now become aware of all this. I have the documentation with me to deliver to them.
SF : And the photos that you've seen, did they seem to be of Madeleine?
ID : There are photographs which are similar to the girl, errm... some of them shocking, and there are other photographs...
SF : Shocking, why?
ID : It doesn't matter.
SF : The situation is shocking?
ID : The situation where the girl is in, yes.
UR : You said that Inspector Ricardo Paiva lied, are you planning to act criminally against him, as you did with...?
ID : No, in relation to Inspector Ricardo Paiva, the importance that I give to him is the importance of knowing if he should be heading or not the investigation to this process, because...
UR : So, you are definitely placing him in question?
ID : I am not... What I said should not be interpreted beyond my words.
UR : Doctor [doctor is applied to anyone who has an University degree], so let's try to speak in a clear way. Before what you said...
ID : My words are clear, for you and for other people.
Non seulement Ricardo Paiva, mais le procureur Magalhães e Menezes sont mis en cause par Isabel Duarte, qui sans aucun fondement accuse de ne pas suivre toutes les pistes possibles, oubliant sans doute que l'affaire est classée, ce qui signifie que les informations ne sont investiguées que si elles semblent pertinentes. Un rapide examen des PJFiles montre le nombre impressionnants des signalements examinés lorsque l'enquête était en cours. Comme chaque fois dans les affaires à haut profil, les médias génèrent inévitablement de nombreux red herrings où se dispersent et s'épuisent les énergies policières. La police a des ressources limitées, avant d'envoyer un inspecteur elle doit être assurée que l'information présente une certaine crédibilité. Il n'est pas rare que l'envoi sans contrôle de forces de police se solde non seulement par un échec, mais aussi permette au suspect de prendre la poudre d'escampette.
McCanns' appeal for MMC
ITV News
transcrit par Nigel Moore
Robert Moore : Ignoring the
abuse of a few protestors, Kate and Gerry McCann left the Portuguese
courthouse tonight clutching posters of Madeleine. And clutching, as
well, to the hope that a freash appeal might uncover new evidence
that, even now, could help locate Madeleine.
Kate MC : ...'please help us'.
There's a little girl still missing, regardless of what Mr... Mr
Amaral and his followers say - and they have their own motives - the
little girl is still missing and we know that people care about
children. Please help us.
RM : Kate, do you feel the focus can now
revert to the search for Madeleine, once again?
KMC : Well, I think if the just decision
is made I think this will truly help our search for Madeleine and...
and that's... as Gerry's said... that's why... that's why we've gone
through with this. It's not easy going through with it but if it
helps our little girl... if it helps to find Madeleine then we'll go
through anything.
RM : This court action is
focussed on stopping the former detective Goncalo Amaral from being
able to publish his book on the case. The McCanns insist that his
central claim - that Madeleine died in the apartment - has severely
undermined the search effort.
Gerald MC : The important thing is
there is an innocent child missing and that search must go on. We
would very much like the whole process reviewed; we'd like all the
information held by all law enforcement to be put together and
systematically reviewed and identified areas for further in...
investigation.
RM : (to camera) Gerry and Kate McCann
must now wait one more week to hear this court's ruling but all the
time they're emphasising this is not about pursuing a narrow legal
victory but rather about re-energising the search for Madeleine.
After nearly three
years the chances of finding her may seem remote but the McCanns
insist they must keep searching. Tonight it appears the Portuguese
will only agree to reopen the case if significant new information
emerges, which is why this last ditch appeal is so vital.
New Madeleine Appeal
Sky
News
transcrit par Nigel Moore
Kate and Gerry McCann have made a fresh
appeal to the people of Portugal to help them find their missing
daughter Madeleine. They were speaking outside the court where they
have been trying to keep a book about her disappearance out of the
shops.
GMC : There is one real reason
why we have come here and why we've taken this action and this is why
it is; it's our daughter, who is missing, and who deserves justice
for a fair search. The laws of a democracy are there to protect the
vulnerable in society, and our daughter is vulnerable, and our twins
are vulnerable. Given what you have heard in court over the days of
this trial, we want to appeal to the Portuguese people again to come
forward with any information that may lead us to help finding
Madeleine or any other information that might be related to
Madeleine's abduction. The number here is 800 814024.
KMC : I mean, it's obviously
been difficult to hear all these allegations again, errm... but it is
reassuring once again for it to be dis... demonstrated publicly that
there is no evidence that Madeleine has come to any harm...
Reporter : Kate, do you feel...
KMC : ... and we really do want
to ask the Portuguese people... continue to ask them, 'please help
us'. There's a little girl still missing, regardless of what Mr... Mr
Amaral and his followers say - and they have their own motives - the
little girl is still missing and we know that people care about
children. Please help us.
