Interview de José Manuel Anes, ex-président de l'Observatoire de la sécurité, du crime organisé et du terrorisme - CMTV - 27.06.2020
João Ferreira: In the studio I have José Manuel Anes, also a university professor, good afternoon Professor for your presence...
José Manuel Anes, um conhecido maçon da Grande Loja Legal de Portugal: Good afternoon, João, thank you.
JF: Well, at a first moment the Professor was critical of the PJ's performance, in fact you were present in court in the process which Maddie's moved against Gonçalo Amaral and in court you even said that, that at first the PJ failed. Why?
JMA: That is, I think that ... if ... I was inside the investigations but from what I saw from the outside, it seems that they have narrowed down to one hypothesis, but I am sure that my friend...
JF: They bet all clues all on the thesis...
JMA: There it is.
JF: …abduction?
JMA: There is a very good theory of information analysis that has to do with the criminal investigation that is the ... the hypotheses in competition, and that there were 3 already, according to Gonçalo Amaral himself said, the homicide, it was abduction and it was the accident, right. Now, I think that ... this was not the only thing I said either. I said that the investigator in relation to a situation has several suspects and, as a historic of the Judiciary Police said, Chief Viegas, from the Algarve, “my son, in principle everyone is a suspect, then we will eliminate, and no one can be feel offended”…
JF: And was that the capital sin of the PJ at the beginning of the investigations for not putting the parents as suspects...
JMA: That is...
JF: …at a first moment?
JMA: Hey man, they have to be! It is a question... this is not an offense. It is a question of cold, rational methodology.
JF: Now, José Manuel Anes, here is a revelation... it is the first exclusive revelation of this special operation of Maddie... after being present in court...
JMA: That's right ...
JF: ...the defense of Maddie's parents invited you...
JMA: That’s right.
JF: ...to be an advisor to the McCann.
JMA: I received a very nice letter from the lawyer, but I was rude. I didn't even reply. Because I already…
JF: What did that letter say? Did it invite you to be an advisor?
JMA: Yes, to be an advisor ... in short, for the McCann defense, and I in fact...
JF: Is this the first time you say that?
JMA: It is. It is. This is a... a first-time revelation ...
JF: This is a… a worldwide exclusive…
JMA: …that I’m doing…
JF: …it’s… it's a worldwide exclusive.
JMA: I have kept that letter but, in fact, I didn't reply to it, firstly, because the house to where I was linked and worked for 20 years...
JF: In the… in the… PJ
JMA: In the PJ, in the Scientific Police Laboratory, deserves all respect. Secondly, inspector Gonçalo Amaral himself, regardless of one thing or another, who does not sometimes commit, sometimes, flaws in their professional life? And I have the greatest respect. Therefore, I did not reply. And in the middle...
JF: What was that invitation made for, in your opinion? To weaken Gonçalo Amaral?
JMA: Exactly, because they asked me “ah, but do you think he should have written the book?” I said, "look, I wouldn't do it, but those who know that he was harassed ..." Inspector Gonçalo Amaral is a martyr of the investigation, I should say. I even think it was in one of the “Prós and Contras” that I said, I was with Francisco Moita Flores and I said “look, the criminal investigation in this case was the victim of the leak… of a bad… of the press”. Bad, what do I mean by that? The press has every right to report, to question…
JF: To investigate as well, right?
JMA: To investigate as well. However, the criminal investigation should read few newspapers, especially in case so mediatic as this one.
JF: Now, Professor, tell me something, also based on your ... well, on your experience, you have just... stressed that you spent 20 years at PJ, in relation to this new suspect of the German lead, the... the... this man's profile fits as someone who was responsible for Maddie's abduction and murder?
JMA: He fits. In fact, he has the worst record and a profile in relation to this type of crime. Now, I think it is essential to have evidence, and inspector Gonçalo Amaral I believe that ... he observed him but there was nothing concrete about him. Even the Irish say that the person they saw passing with the child in his arms, who was not this...
JF: That is... it is an information extremely...
JMA: …and therefore is not true...
JF: …relevant and very recent.
JMA: …and deserves now, it may be but there is nothing concrete, right.
JF: Professor, a very good afternoon and thank you for your participation in this special CMTV operation. Maddie, the Enigma, a worldwide exclusive revelation, Manuel Anes was invited by the McCanns' defense to be an advisor to Maddie's parents.
JF: Well, at a first moment the Professor was critical of the PJ's performance, in fact you were present in court in the process which Maddie's moved against Gonçalo Amaral and in court you even said that, that at first the PJ failed. Why?
JMA: That is, I think that ... if ... I was inside the investigations but from what I saw from the outside, it seems that they have narrowed down to one hypothesis, but I am sure that my friend...
JF: They bet all clues all on the thesis...
JMA: There it is.
JF: …abduction?
JMA: There is a very good theory of information analysis that has to do with the criminal investigation that is the ... the hypotheses in competition, and that there were 3 already, according to Gonçalo Amaral himself said, the homicide, it was abduction and it was the accident, right. Now, I think that ... this was not the only thing I said either. I said that the investigator in relation to a situation has several suspects and, as a historic of the Judiciary Police said, Chief Viegas, from the Algarve, “my son, in principle everyone is a suspect, then we will eliminate, and no one can be feel offended”…
JF: And was that the capital sin of the PJ at the beginning of the investigations for not putting the parents as suspects...
JMA: That is...
JF: …at a first moment?
JMA: Hey man, they have to be! It is a question... this is not an offense. It is a question of cold, rational methodology.
JF: Now, José Manuel Anes, here is a revelation... it is the first exclusive revelation of this special operation of Maddie... after being present in court...
JMA: That's right ...
JF: ...the defense of Maddie's parents invited you...
JMA: That’s right.
JF: ...to be an advisor to the McCann.
JMA: I received a very nice letter from the lawyer, but I was rude. I didn't even reply. Because I already…
JF: What did that letter say? Did it invite you to be an advisor?
JMA: Yes, to be an advisor ... in short, for the McCann defense, and I in fact...
JF: Is this the first time you say that?
JMA: It is. It is. This is a... a first-time revelation ...
JF: This is a… a worldwide exclusive…
JMA: …that I’m doing…
JF: …it’s… it's a worldwide exclusive.
JMA: I have kept that letter but, in fact, I didn't reply to it, firstly, because the house to where I was linked and worked for 20 years...
JF: In the… in the… PJ
JMA: In the PJ, in the Scientific Police Laboratory, deserves all respect. Secondly, inspector Gonçalo Amaral himself, regardless of one thing or another, who does not sometimes commit, sometimes, flaws in their professional life? And I have the greatest respect. Therefore, I did not reply. And in the middle...
JF: What was that invitation made for, in your opinion? To weaken Gonçalo Amaral?
JMA: Exactly, because they asked me “ah, but do you think he should have written the book?” I said, "look, I wouldn't do it, but those who know that he was harassed ..." Inspector Gonçalo Amaral is a martyr of the investigation, I should say. I even think it was in one of the “Prós and Contras” that I said, I was with Francisco Moita Flores and I said “look, the criminal investigation in this case was the victim of the leak… of a bad… of the press”. Bad, what do I mean by that? The press has every right to report, to question…
JF: To investigate as well, right?
JMA: To investigate as well. However, the criminal investigation should read few newspapers, especially in case so mediatic as this one.
JF: Now, Professor, tell me something, also based on your ... well, on your experience, you have just... stressed that you spent 20 years at PJ, in relation to this new suspect of the German lead, the... the... this man's profile fits as someone who was responsible for Maddie's abduction and murder?
JMA: He fits. In fact, he has the worst record and a profile in relation to this type of crime. Now, I think it is essential to have evidence, and inspector Gonçalo Amaral I believe that ... he observed him but there was nothing concrete about him. Even the Irish say that the person they saw passing with the child in his arms, who was not this...
JF: That is... it is an information extremely...
JMA: …and therefore is not true...
JF: …relevant and very recent.
JMA: …and deserves now, it may be but there is nothing concrete, right.
JF: Professor, a very good afternoon and thank you for your participation in this special CMTV operation. Maddie, the Enigma, a worldwide exclusive revelation, Manuel Anes was invited by the McCanns' defense to be an advisor to Maddie's parents.
